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Russell says: |
4 Jul 2010 - 06:45 |
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absolutely awesome shot on Sailing Anarchy with Cape Town stadium in the background. We need these boats in Perth.... |
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Lucky Dog says: |
3 Jul 2010 - 13:25 |
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Like Sport Boats - Know of any Pacer 27's in U.S? Would like to see one. |
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Admin says: |
30 Mar 2010 - 13:48 |
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Yes, we have a Pacer 395 on the drawing boards. If you contact us directly we will send you preliminary information. |
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Mandownunder says: |
25 Mar 2010 - 09:40 |
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We have heard that there is talk of a Pacer 395, all out racing boat. Is this true, and if so, can you give us more info? Not interested in racer/cruisers like the '376. |
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Charles says: |
22 Mar 2010 - 20:20 |
P27 vs. M24? From what we've seen the Pacer is a bit quicker all round. Can't really give you any hard and fast figures, as the two Melges 24's in Cape Town have not been racing recently.
The boats are perhaps not really directly comparable. The Pacer is quite a bit bigger, and nearly always sailed with 6 people. To put it another way, I doubt that you would regard them as candidates in exactly the same segment of the market. |
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CA says: |
17 Mar 2010 - 16:06 |
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Pacer 27 vs Melges 24? |
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Charles says: |
1 Mar 2010 - 06:40 |
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The Flying Tiger came (I think 17th) on handicap in the race from Cape Town to Langebaan, whereas the Pacer 27's took the top 5 places on handicap in the IRC fleet. The leading Pacer 27 was only beaten across the line by a modified ILC40, and the others finished in the company of the leading IRC 42' and 43' boats. Sailing on one of the Pacers, we never even saw the FT during the course of the day. It was pretty obvious that the Flying Tiger was not performing to its full potential, but I have no idea why. It has to be said that the conditions on the day were tailor-made for the Pacer 27. |
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CA says: |
23 Feb 2010 - 11:53 |
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Saw the wild pic on Sailing Anarchy of the Pacer 27. The article talks about a Flying Tiger being in race? How did she do against the Pacer 27 ? |
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Admin says: |
15 Dec 2009 - 05:06 |
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The Pacer 430 is new design. She has a modern stern section, IRC optimised underwater lines, modern interior, more powerful sail plan, and an epoxy composite hull and deck. |
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Douglas Churchill says: |
24 Nov 2009 - 10:37 |
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We have heard that there is an all-new Pacer 430 hitting the water soon. Can this be confirmed? Any line drawings or photos available? How does she compare with the older Pacer 42? If the biuld quality is anything like the Pacer 376 we saw in Hamburg, we are very interested!!! |
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Josh Kroone says: |
13 Nov 2009 - 09:12 |
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We saw the 376 at the Hamburg show. It was the smartest looking boat on show, and left the typical production boats for dead. It is very spacious and the finish was frankly better than 99% of the competition. Would like to see the racing version!! |
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Henrik Poulsen says: |
27 Oct 2009 - 11:29 |
I saw the Pacer 37 in Hamburg Germany 25-10 2009. I must say it is a VERY nice boat.. Hope to see more from pacer in Europe ( and Denmark )
/Henrik |
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gmac says: |
2 Oct 2009 - 05:50 |
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any news of the 376 coming to australia |
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admin says: |
23 Mar 2009 - 13:05 |
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read more about the Pacer 27 Sport as sailed by Trygve Roberts and his team in Cape Town //mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/trazz/ |
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Pacer 27 Skipper says: |
23 Mar 2009 - 12:58 |
Without the need to honeybrush you about the virtues of the P27S I must tell you we are thoroughly enjoying this boat. It is a real joy to sail and I am now almost embarrased to think how much of a J27 stalwart I was just a very short while ago. The one is sluggish and OK and the other is a very lively thoroughbred.
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Pacer Admin says: |
23 Feb 2009 - 10:07 |
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We welcome any interested party in Australia to contact us in regard to acting as a Pacer Yachts Agency. |
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gmcc says: |
23 Feb 2009 - 06:22 |
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what about dealerships in Australia? |
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Pacer Admin says: |
11 Feb 2009 - 11:26 |
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Pacer Yachts are busy securing new Dealerships throughout Europe, the full range of Pacers will now be available, and marketed as 'PACERS'.. |
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Paul says: |
19 Dec 2008 - 15:05 |
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I wonder what impact Dehler going into administration will mean for the 376 which is marketed as a Dehler 38R overseas? |
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Charles says: |
27 Nov 2008 - 08:12 |
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Had a brief sail on the 376ep prototype yesterday evening. Apparently it was only the third time the prototype had sailed, but I believe it will be sailed a lot more intensely in the next few weeks. I found it to be an extremely pleasant boat, but in the absence of any experience with similar-sized boats, can't really give any comments about how it compares. In a short race the Pacer ended up sandwiched between a Welbourne-modified Mumm36 and an IMX40. |
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gmac says: |
13 Oct 2008 - 03:36 |
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how is the 376ep going ? would like to here more |
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Alex says: |
8 Oct 2008 - 18:23 |
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Have many Pacer 27s been sold outside SA? How do they rate under IRC TCC? |
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Chumbucket says: |
26 Jul 2008 - 08:14 |
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The right people with the right attitude! The foctory's gonna cook with gas when the full production line's up and running! |
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Bird's nest says: |
15 Jul 2008 - 18:12 |
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I snuck a peak in at the new Factory in Killarney Gardens and boy are things cooking. Its good to finally see some organisation in a yard. I recommend a visit. |
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Kevin says: |
21 May 2008 - 07:01 |
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Boat looks really interesting. Don't be so hesitant to list dimensions in Imperial measurements as well as metric! When do we see the displacement figures? I'll dust off the calculator for that one. |
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Dirk_Swede says: |
14 May 2008 - 07:00 |
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I like the look of the 376. Can we see some polars? |
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PE Railmeat says: |
9 May 2008 - 10:32 |
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Those Pacers were awesome to watch. They absolutely fly downwind. makes me think, 'SSS' - Sailing Slowly Sucks.Great to see some 1 design racing. |
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Big D says: |
5 May 2008 - 08:08 |
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Shot for a awesome regatta! |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
14 Apr 2008 - 15:13 |
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Guys, more pics of the Prototype have been posted on the Pacer 376 link. Going forward, we have decided to do away with the non-skid pattern, and replace it with a better solution, and the internal cabinetry is changing to light Teak with a few design upgrades. |
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JA says: |
12 Apr 2008 - 16:10 |
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Any more info or pictures about the 376ep? |
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gmcc says: |
10 Apr 2008 - 05:01 |
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would like to see and hear more about the 376ep |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
12 Mar 2008 - 14:21 |
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Fix for P27 Masts: Sparcraft, the manufacturers, say the ideal fix is a safety strop on the backstay. They reckon crew may sometimes let the backstay right off which would cause a problem in a big blow. Charles, you are 100% right, the boats have been out in much heavier conditions without problems. We wonder if the damage wasnt caused a week earlier when Harry had the boat out in a big blow only 2 up (shorthanded race). I know he put the mast in the green stuff.... |
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Charles says: |
11 Mar 2008 - 20:16 |
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I've read the comment below about the mast failure. P27 masts are obviously not crashing down all around us all the time, so there is clearly not a major problem. However, that particular failure happened on a day that was very strong, but not extreme by Cape Town standards. Is there a fix to prevent this from happening again? |
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Big D says: |
11 Mar 2008 - 08:44 |
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The boat is great to sail, it just doesn't point that well in choppy seas. You need to constantly be steering over waves, dropping her down to get speed and then almost pinching her. |
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Ronan says: |
4 Mar 2008 - 22:32 |
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I raced on the pacer in Abu Dhabi and was very impressed and now think I may buy one and import it to Ireland to race in the IRC fleets. These fleets are very competitive with Corby annd Mills boats domiating currently. Im a bit worried about the boats performance upwind is there polars available to view or has anyone got andy idea of its speed upwind in different conditions? If it rates 1.035 then it may be competitive if it can keep in touch on the way up? Any advice appreciated. |
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Deepsix says: |
26 Feb 2008 - 11:44 |
I have started a thread on the SAS website to discuss handicapping. I would like to invite anybody who is interested to have their say.
http://www.sailing.org.za/index.php?module=pnForum&func=viewtopic&topic=84 |
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Big D says: |
25 Feb 2008 - 12:46 |
The pacer is awesome to sail and is fantastic in the right conditions. It creates pleanty to talk about on the teak decks of the club afterwards.
As for the mast snapping, I know the guys were pushing it and I think that we kinda should all know what the boat can and can't handle at this stage. Still a top notch boat.
Shot |
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gmac says: |
25 Feb 2008 - 06:13 |
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has the p376 got its keel wet yet ? |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
22 Feb 2008 - 13:14 |
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The guys were out sailing in +- 30 knots travelling at 20knots when they sailed off a big wave into the back of another steep one. They estimate that the nose went deep into the wave knocking around 8 to 9 knots off boatspeed in an instant, and the fwd momentum did the rig in. According to the spar manufacturers nothing 'failed', rather it was just a case of wrong wave wrong time |
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Big D says: |
15 Feb 2008 - 07:59 |
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Whats this I hear about the pacer in CT, pitchpoled and a snapped mast? |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
8 Feb 2008 - 04:45 |
gmac, the P376ep is a new design by Simonis Voogd, and is being built in CT in the Pacer Yachts factory. She is a light displacement cruiser/racer. She has a powerful rig and sail plan, deep foil with bulb keel, performance rudder, large 1.8m single steering wheel, large cockpit with carefully laid out deckgear after consultation with top sailors, and a well set out interior. The interior is very nicely finished, with Cherrywood at present but also Blond Teak at a later stage. She is constructed using epoxy resins with balsa core. She also offers teak seats in the cockpit. So, if you are looking for a medium sized boat which will perform well but also offer you a great social sailing platform, then the Pacer 376EP is your boat.
The first boat's launch has been delayed on a number of occasions for a simple reason - we are being very particular about the build quality, and are demanding high standards of our sub-contractors which has in some cases meant redoing some of the work. We believe the extra cost and slight delays will result in a better boat.
Indications are that the launch will be in 2 weeks or so.. |
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gmac says: |
8 Feb 2008 - 01:29 |
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like to know more about 376ep |
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Vaalie says: |
4 Feb 2008 - 10:48 |
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Oops, my prediction sucked. What happened to the Thompson 7 ? Got thumped good a proper.... I thought it was way more racey than the melges and pacers? |
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dipstik says: |
4 Feb 2008 - 10:47 |
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Melges wins 1st Keelboat by 30 seconds to a Pacer 27 sailed by Saddler, his wife, their babe in arms, and Marks dad, Mike, plus 2 Robinson boys... I'd pay money to watch a shootout between the Melges and Pacer sailed by top, practiced, teams... |
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Handicapped says: |
4 Feb 2008 - 10:45 |
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Ouch, unless Northvaal sort out their Handicapping system this race will suffer the consequences of not having the fast serious boats enter. Keep it a cruising event. |
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Retard says: |
4 Feb 2008 - 10:44 |
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The RTIR was a cock-up. Poor race management - start lines a mess. R500 to start 10 minutes before the rest, but the Bridge didnt keep the line clear. I want my R500 back. |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
30 Jan 2008 - 06:05 |
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Keep an eye out at the RTIR for a light grey 'Pacer Club'. She is a detuned Pacer Sport, with symmetrical spinnaker, fixed keel and fixed rudder. Perfect for the sailor who wants to moor his boat, and save a few rands. |
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RTIR Lemming says: |
28 Jan 2008 - 13:16 |
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The whole RTIR is a sham. Vaal dam handicaps make it so. Its a fun cruise, nothing more. Nothing less. Just go and have fun... |
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Vaalie says: |
26 Jan 2008 - 11:03 |
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I think this Ultra Class thing for the RTIR sucks and its just a money making racket. PS my money is on the Thompson 7 to win.. |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
22 Jan 2008 - 15:44 |
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Someone mentioned the new 30ft Sportboat on the Vaal Dam. I see there is a spiel about it on the Round the Island Race. Interestingly, all the comparisons they use are those stats of the Pacer 27. Nice that they see the Pacer as the 'Yardstick' eh? |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
22 Jan 2008 - 15:42 |
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Anyone can sail a Pacer 27. If you want a go, speak to Harry Brehm at Royal Cape. PS take goggles. |
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L34ToeRailMeat says: |
22 Jan 2008 - 15:41 |
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Shou... I sail on an L34 in Table Bay, and as we sit on the rail we see these flyiers come through the fleet. Man, they are having all the fun, win or lose. Seems like they have now got the Melges 24's number too. They seem to launch off the back of waves.. must be absolutely bloody thrilling. Do you have to be a 'Rockstar' sailor to enjoy them? |
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Sean Leslie says: |
15 Jan 2008 - 18:27 |
Screamimg downwind " totally " in control speed 19 knots BIG grin and having the most fun without getting wet ( I lie about the wet bit !! )
I have been lucky to have been sailing Pacer Two in Cape Town over the last 3 months. The crew have had a great time racing an exciting boat - a boat that was new to all the crew - and its been a new learning expierence and a wild wild ride. The Pacer 27 has made a definite impact and statement at RCYC. Race after race we have had crew come down the dock post race to view boat ,ask questions - the comment from other crews normally is " you guys had fun today " We have achieved good results - Skipper Harry Brehm has detailed our recent results above. The boat has quite rightly prompted bar discussions over racing simple one designs versus racing one of the current mixed IRC fleet using a mix of aging cruising designs plus some new expensive IRC boats. The Pacer will have a definite future in SA - giving exciting sailing to their owners and crews - hopefully to a new younger set of sailors - something SA sailing certainly needs.The Pacer 27 future must develope as a one design class foremost - not solely as a IRC boat. The boat and owners must embrace the spirit of one design racing which means the boat and equipment will adhere to the class rules - and not modified willy nilly !
I would like class to adopt a strict " sail card " ( a limit of new sails bought in 2 year period) this is similiar to other successful international one design classes. No electronics , even compasses. Keep it simple, Keep it cheap - that route has worked for other classes. We have had an expierenced crew racing Pacer Two - all have raced ' Big Boats" internationally but we have all discovered a new found excitment in racing a " point and squirt " sportsboat. The boat has been a learning curve to me due to aysymetric kite, big apparent wind speed and angle changes. We have aquitted ourselves very well in the light conditions which surprised us.The boat is well laid out , great cockpit and provides spectacular broaches " occasionally " - a broach means one is trying hard enough !
We will keep racing the Pacer hard , keep learning the boat ,keep grinning and getting wet - soon will have 3 or 4 more Pacer 27 on the starting line - wow that will be good !
Sean Leslie |
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rtir@vaal says: |
14 Jan 2008 - 13:21 |
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It will be interesting to see the Pacer against than new 30ft Sportboat on the Vaal. Anyone go details on it? |
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SSS says: |
7 Jan 2008 - 13:34 |
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I hear that RCYC is again asking for people to nominate a boat for Lipton, this time giving 2 years notice. Is Pacer Yachts going to offer them a similar 'no brainer' deal as originally? I prefer the Melges 24 but not one has been imported since the 1st two, and it may be a little small in any event in my opinion. The J22 is a non starter - very good class here in RSA but the boats not ideal for offshore, especially Table Bay. L26's? Well, there are still lots of them, they are relatively cheap at R100k for a goody, but there is the fact that only 5 or 6 of them are good enough to win Lipton which means there is no level playing field. Pacers? I hear there are about 10 out there, plus 3 from the Factory = 13. Not much of a fleet, but maybe the Pacer factory is going to offer the Lipton organisers another 12 which was their orginal offer, which means a fleet of at least 24. 24 modern competitive boats sounds good BUT from what I hear it takes a long time to learn how to sail them really fast.. same goes for any Sportboat I reckon. Bottom line, maybe stick with the L26? sheesh its a toughie.. |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
23 Dec 2007 - 16:33 |
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7 Pacers will be on the start line for the 50th Round the Island race in early Feb. If we can get the two Eastern Cape and FBYC boats up there we could have 10 on the line. |
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Derek Wilkes (Durban) says: |
20 Dec 2007 - 10:04 |
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I have given my mast 600mm of rake as measured from the gooseneck to main halyard (as a plumbline). It has given the boat slight weather helm which seems to help it in a puff. |
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From Bo at the Vaal says: |
19 Dec 2007 - 13:50 |
Taken from an email to an interested party who saw the Pacers in a recent Middle of the Dam Race: "I am one of the owners (Bo Szalek) that raced yesterday. It is just a pity you did not try get on board yesterday, it was an absolute blast!!! Even with the broach, we really raved about it.
My wife who has never sailed in more than 15 knots loved it. I had very inexperienced crew, with only 2 members who knew what rope to pull. My 7 year old son did not want to go home. He was sad it was over.
I think if you speak to any one of the 18 people who sailed on one of those boats yesterday, they will not have a bad thing to say - If you want I can send a list of contact names and numbers to call.
We have put a list of names people down who sail / sailed these boats currently and they get pulled by the owners / skippers for the different races. I have to be honest, once the guys come on board it becomes difficult to get them off.
I am not sure what your experience is, but on this list there are some very good helmsmen that will always assist.
I am a J22 owner and the reason I bought the Pacer was that the best class in SA is the J22 class but it is a 25yr old boat. With todays technology one can not compare the two. Can you imagine what a great class the Pacer will be in 3 years time? There are already two J22 owners who bought Pacers and there must be at least 10 crew members who prefer to sail the Pacer. In my opinion a spinnaker pole boat is out dated and sport boats are the way to go. It is also crew friendly.
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Harry Brehm says: |
18 Dec 2007 - 17:31 |
We had some great racing with the Pacer 27s ( Pacer Two ) in Cape Town at the Crocs Summer Regatta. The boat was entered in the IRC Class 2 and finished 3rd overall. Throughout the races we had very close racing with the J 27 Smack Water Jack and the L34 Sensation. In the right conditions the Pacer sails very well to it's rating and we managed to win one race not only over the line but also on corrected time. Unfortunately the course of the final race was selected in a way that we were not able to fly the kite. That is a sure killer on handicap for any sportsboat and blew our chances for a better position on the podium.
We have sailed the Pacer Two in well over 30kn of wind so far and havn't reached the limit of this little speed machine yet.
The whole crew had a lot of fun sailing the boat and we are looking forward to race again in the new year.
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Aussie Tom says: |
15 Dec 2007 - 08:48 |
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I think I saw one of these 27s sailing in Dubai? It dished up a can of whup-ass. I work just outside of Dubai on contract and love to get a trial sail. I have sailed a Thompson at home, the pacer doesnt look as technical? |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
14 Dec 2007 - 06:42 |
'Pacer One' at RCYC has just been IRC rated1.034. 'Felix the Cat' is also rated, so now we need just one more Pacer 27 to be rated in order for the Class Association to be recognised by RORC (IRC) which means in the future when a Pacer 27 is rated, it is treated as a 'one design' and at a far cheaper rate.
Becoming IRC rated we believe is a good thing. Whilst the boat is strictly a one-design, and is best raced against other Pacers, there are times such as at the MSC Week Regatta where the Pacers can sail as a 'one-design' class within the IRC Class, in other words whilst sailing against each other, also sail against the other boats in the IRC fleet.
Also, there are times when in certain regions the Pacers may not make class, so then you can still compete in IRC.
Lastly, it makes a lot of sense to have a valid IRC rating as it takes all the debate out of club generated PHRF ratings, and you can enter an event such as the Round the Island Race on the Vaal Dam and ask the Handicap Official to review your rating based on your IRC rating. No more thumbsuck ratings, no more being penalised right out of the game... |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
11 Dec 2007 - 06:30 |
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IRC RATINGS: Pacer One, the 27ft Sport sailing in out of RCYC is doing very well against the big boats. She is lying 3rd overall on handicap. What do YOU think about getting the whole Pacer 27 fleet IRC rated? |
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Wild Thing says: |
5 Dec 2007 - 20:01 |
When we get off the water after sailing 'Wild Thing', we have the biggest smiles on our faces of anyone at the Club.
Russel Morgan. Pacer 27 Sport Owner.
ABYC |
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SuperSportSailor says: |
1 Dec 2007 - 15:37 |
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As crew on a Sport boat I can attest that they are really great fun and awesome to sail. There is always a queue of people trying to get rides - definately the way to go. Your 27 looks interesting - I like the fact that it is more than a big dinghy which many of these boats are. |
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Pacer Yachts says: |
21 Jun 2007 - 17:26 |
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Welcome to the Pacer Forum. We'd love to hear what you say. Your thoughts. Your opinions. Enjoy the forums ;) |
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